Comments on: Guilt and Fear http://www.randombabble.com/2008/08/25/guilt-and-fear-3/ exactly that Sun, 27 Nov 2011 19:32:57 +0000 hourly 1 By: Being Amber Rhea » Blog Archive » links for 2008-8-28 http://www.randombabble.com/2008/08/25/guilt-and-fear-3/#comment-1085 Being Amber Rhea » Blog Archive » links for 2008-8-28 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:19:21 +0000 http://randombitchez.wordpress.com/?p=695#comment-1085 [...] Guilt and Fear « random babble… “Being hurtful and shameful in the name of trying to bully someone to see your point is doing nothing to further your cause. It doesn’t show your side (which could be full of great points), but it sure as hell makes you look like a jerk.” (tags: politics election election2008 arguing blogs communication debate) [...] [...] Guilt and Fear « random babble… “Being hurtful and shameful in the name of trying to bully someone to see your point is doing nothing to further your cause. It doesn’t show your side (which could be full of great points), but it sure as hell makes you look like a jerk.” (tags: politics election election2008 arguing blogs communication debate) [...]

]]> By: rachelcervantes http://www.randombabble.com/2008/08/25/guilt-and-fear-3/#comment-1084 rachelcervantes Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:36:16 +0000 http://randombitchez.wordpress.com/?p=695#comment-1084 Actually, I'm muddling my way through all of this, but doing so publicly. Dissent is good. It's necessary. Vituperative attacks and hatred are not. We MUST learn to disagree and be civil about it. I don't want everyone to think like me and I often seek out those with differing opinions. Who else can spot and help me evaluate flaws in my logic? The major problem, I think, is that there all too often is no room for difference, diversity, dissent. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, I feel a post coming on! Stay tuned! Actually, I’m muddling my way through all of this, but doing so publicly.

Dissent is good. It’s necessary. Vituperative attacks and hatred are not. We MUST learn to disagree and be civil about it. I don’t want everyone to think like me and I often seek out those with differing opinions. Who else can spot and help me evaluate flaws in my logic?

The major problem, I think, is that there all too often is no room for difference, diversity, dissent. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, I feel a post coming on! Stay tuned!

]]> By: pidomon http://www.randombabble.com/2008/08/25/guilt-and-fear-3/#comment-1083 pidomon Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:42:59 +0000 http://randombitchez.wordpress.com/?p=695#comment-1083 great post. while I may try to make you see my side I've never seen the point in denigrating you if all of the sudden I dont get a "WOW ZOMG11!!11 YOU BE SO SMART" the point in this whole exercise of 'murica in trying to form a "more perfect union", at least to me, is that what makes us great is we have these options. i can vote for X, you can vote for Y, and then we can go have a beer. or argue about it or something else. i have long postulated (yeah i went to colledge) opinions CANT be wrong. How you come to your and how I come to mine is what it is. but trying to use that as a blunt weapon to hit someone else over the head is well just silly. to me anyway (hope that made sense:) ) great post. while I may try to make you see my side I’ve never seen the point in denigrating you if all of the sudden I dont get a “WOW ZOMG11!!11 YOU BE SO SMART”

the point in this whole exercise of ‘murica in trying to form a “more perfect union”, at least to me, is that what makes us great is we have these options.

i can vote for X, you can vote for Y, and then we can go have a beer. or argue about it or something else.

i have long postulated (yeah i went to colledge) opinions CANT be wrong. How you come to your and how I come to mine is what it is.

but trying to use that as a blunt weapon to hit someone else over the head is well just silly. to me anyway

(hope that made sense:) )

]]> By: Tobes http://www.randombabble.com/2008/08/25/guilt-and-fear-3/#comment-1082 Tobes Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:24:29 +0000 http://randombitchez.wordpress.com/?p=695#comment-1082 Wow, this is what I needed this morning. The dialogue between soopermouse and I has just gotten to the point where I feel deflated. I appreciate this post a lot. Wow, this is what I needed this morning. The dialogue between soopermouse and I has just gotten to the point where I feel deflated. I appreciate this post a lot.

]]> By: Ouyang Dan http://www.randombabble.com/2008/08/25/guilt-and-fear-3/#comment-1081 Ouyang Dan Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:17:45 +0000 http://randombitchez.wordpress.com/?p=695#comment-1081 The thing is that "progressive" doesn't mean what it has come to mean in the MSM. You are right, the labels shouldn't matter...but I still consider myself to be progressive voter, and that covers the issues that I want to see. When Obama goes around saying he is progressive, I too want to commit acts of violence. He is not progressive, not in the least. You can not be a progressive voter and not be solid on women's issues, like being pro-choice, and standing up as an LGBTQI ally. The problem I am having is that there are issues on which I am not willing to negotiate, and the choices before me are making it tough for me to find a candidate that has my best interest in mind. When people start brow beating me w/ "OMG Roe!!!1!" and "OMG Iraq" is about when I shut down. I am aware of these issues and how the partisan candidates are dealing w/ them...I am not going to let someone who is being all superior and telling me that women's issues (MY fucking issues, issues that matter to over 51% of the population) aren't worth throwing this election. Voting against what is best for me and for my daughter is not even negotiable. The thing is that “progressive” doesn’t mean what it has come to mean in the MSM. You are right, the labels shouldn’t matter…but I still consider myself to be progressive voter, and that covers the issues that I want to see. When Obama goes around saying he is progressive, I too want to commit acts of violence. He is not progressive, not in the least. You can not be a progressive voter and not be solid on women’s issues, like being pro-choice, and standing up as an LGBTQI ally.

The problem I am having is that there are issues on which I am not willing to negotiate, and the choices before me are making it tough for me to find a candidate that has my best interest in mind.

When people start brow beating me w/ “OMG Roe!!!1!” and “OMG Iraq” is about when I shut down. I am aware of these issues and how the partisan candidates are dealing w/ them…I am not going to let someone who is being all superior and telling me that women’s issues (MY fucking issues, issues that matter to over 51% of the population) aren’t worth throwing this election. Voting against what is best for me and for my daughter is not even negotiable.

]]> By: Danny http://www.randombabble.com/2008/08/25/guilt-and-fear-3/#comment-1080 Danny Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:08:05 +0000 http://randombitchez.wordpress.com/?p=695#comment-1080 True. adlv2006 makes a good point about labels. Labels have been one of most damning things to happen to this cycle. Its not the friggin label that counts. It shouldn't matter what hip, cool, or "progressive" (that word now makes me want to commit acts of violence) label you carry. What matters is the issues and how they are or aren't getting addressed. True.

adlv2006 makes a good point about labels. Labels have been one of most damning things to happen to this cycle. Its not the friggin label that counts. It shouldn’t matter what hip, cool, or “progressive” (that word now makes me want to commit acts of violence) label you carry. What matters is the issues and how they are or aren’t getting addressed.

]]> By: Ouyang Dan http://www.randombabble.com/2008/08/25/guilt-and-fear-3/#comment-1079 Ouyang Dan Tue, 26 Aug 2008 01:32:03 +0000 http://randombitchez.wordpress.com/?p=695#comment-1079 Yes, and right now neither of the Partisan candidates are addressing my issues in a manner worthy of my vote. It is not our job to pander to candidates b/c we are afraid of the outcome of the other. It is their job to find out what matters to us and then to pander to us. Yes, and right now neither of the Partisan candidates are addressing my issues in a manner worthy of my vote. It is not our job to pander to candidates b/c we are afraid of the outcome of the other. It is their job to find out what matters to us and then to pander to us.

]]> By: adlv2006 http://www.randombabble.com/2008/08/25/guilt-and-fear-3/#comment-1078 adlv2006 Tue, 26 Aug 2008 01:23:56 +0000 http://randombitchez.wordpress.com/?p=695#comment-1078 I don't think that anybody should be bullied into taking a position. If anything, you should try to get somebody to see your side. The sad thing, which is something that you've touched upon a bit, is how heated this election has become and everybody's opinions have become very strong and pronounced. I just hope that voters can get past labels and realize that this all comes down to issues. The question is which candidate will be better at addressing them and bring the US out of the shithole that Bush has put it in. Jose A. Rodriguez adlv2006.wordpress.com I don’t think that anybody should be bullied into taking a position. If anything, you should try to get somebody to see your side. The sad thing, which is something that you’ve touched upon a bit, is how heated this election has become and everybody’s opinions have become very strong and pronounced. I just hope that voters can get past labels and realize that this all comes down to issues. The question is which candidate will be better at addressing them and bring the US out of the shithole that Bush has put it in.

Jose A. Rodriguez
adlv2006.wordpress.com

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